Hadith of our Prophet "My community will be split, Islamic sects

Asslamu Alaikum Brothers and Sisters.

I would like to present an argument which many Muslim pose.

They argue by quoting the hadith of our beloved Prophet from Sunan Abu
Dawood Hadith No. 4579. In this hadith the prophet (pbuh) is reported to
have said, "My community will be split up into seventy-three sects."

This hadith reports that the prophet predicted the emergence of
seventy-three sects. He did not say that Muslims should be active in
dividing themselves into sects. The Glorious Qur’an commands us not to
create sects. Those who follow the teachings of the Qur’an and Sahih
Hadith, and do not create sects are the people who are on the true path.

According to Tirmidhi Hadith No. 171, the prophet (pbuh) is reported to
have said, "My Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects, and all
of them will be in Hell fire except one sect." The companions asked Allah’s
messenger which group that would be. Where upon he replied, "It is the one
to which I and my companions belong."

The Glorious Qur’an mentions in several verses, "Obey Allah and obey His
Messenger". A true Muslim should only follow the Glorious Qur’an and the
Sahih Hadith. He can agree with the views of any scholar as long as they
conform to the teachings of the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith. If such views go
against the Word of Allah, or the Sunnah of His Prophet, then they carry no
weight, regardless of how learned the scholar might be.

If only all Muslims read the Qur’an with understanding and adhere to Sahih
Hadith, Inshallah most of these differences would be solved and we could be
one united Muslim Ummah

Incase anyone has any other queries please feel free to write back.I am
open to correction and criticism.

Wassalam

Mansoor

Asslamu Alaikum,
According to Tirmidhi Hadith No. 171, the prophet (pbuh) is reported to
have said, "My Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects, and all
of them will be in Hell fire except one sect." The companions asked Allah'apostle
which group that would be. Where upon he replied, "It is the one to which I and my companions belong."

what is clearly obvious, is that no one can judge who is right and who is wrong, rather which group now really belong to Muhammed (PBUH) and his companions! but through what we see nowadays, there are many confusions about shia and sunna as special! in comparaison, we can see a different islam led by shiis! Islam and in no Quranic verse and in no hadith order muslims to praise a man and strike themselves till blood is up!!! this is one of , if not the most bid3a led in the islamic world! it has no meaning and no place in islam!

Another thing that many shia don't understand, is that hadith sahih is taken through many of Allah's apostle' companions! not only from the ones belong to the house! and even in the hadith you mentioned: "It is the one to which I and my companions belong." so all companions of Muhammed (PBUH) narrated many sahih hadiths that a real muslim has to follow!

Also, concerning the four imams (chafii, hanafi, hanbali and maliki) many people think they are sects! they can be sects if they are differents in origins (al ussul) but they differ only in ramificated matters and that can change nothing in the true path!

Asalamu'aliekum

jazzakAllah for ur input, i think ur veiw has haq init, but i will also remind u that not all shia strike themselfs or say ya Ali and besides bid3a is seen in other groups to.

regarding the hadiths i think its a matter of trust for these ppl to believe in the hadith they feel most trust in. and besides isnt there a saying which goes "to follow a shahaba is like following a star". Then if Shia follow a shahaba(Ali ra) and same time he is from Prophet(sw) household, it makes them(Shia) only feel more secure, so if those brothers feel this way why be in thier way?

Assalam alaikum,
dear brother,
since when islam made distinction between people? Ali is sahabi like any other sahabi! the fact that he is one of Muhamed (pbuh)'s relatives should make no additional value! Muhammed (pbuh) were prevented from his sons, only for the reason that no one say that he was the son of muhammed and no one made some special considerations to Muhammad (pbuh)'s relatives! for islam people are equal! we don't judge people because they're Allah's messenger's relatives!
Abu bakr is mentionned in the Quran! how can I not trust the sayings of Mhammed through Abu Bakr? also all Hadith sahih is mentioned through sahaba! so if you deny sahaba's roles in islam! what hadith you are talking about? if so, you are denying all Sunnah!
one more important thing! HAS ALI RA made shia? or told people to be shia? there was one islam, through which muslims follow quran and hadith sahih! (and not sahaba as you say)! and that's what sunniz do! while shii are aborting most important men in islam!


may Allah guide us all to His straight way

Actually i disagree somewhat with both of you brothers.

There is held a special status for the Ahlul Baiyt, as they are family of the prophet, and they were the first muslims that converted to islam.

But that does not mean that a sahabi cant reach to the status of Ahlul Bayt or higher, there were some sahabi's who did reach that status and beyond. eg. Sa'id Ibn Abi Waqqas, Umar bin al Khatab, Abu Bakr Sidiq, Ubaiydah bin Al Jarrah.

They were all the closest companions of the prophet a.s, and their accomplishments are well-known.

My opinion, having researched and hold some information about shia islam is that they tend to focus too much on the trends and the faults of the Sahabah. Thats where they start doubting their intention, they take their mistake as it was intentional, and they tend to take literal meaning of some hadith's.

I am not trying to be baised here, its just my opinion.

Asalamu'aliekum

Even Omar (ra) said if Ali wasnt where, he would be ruined.
Another hadith where prophet Mohammed(sw) says if i am the city then Ali is the door. he also called him his friend(shia claim its master)and they (shia) claim he was pointed out as succesor just as Moses(as) had done with Harun.

The split isnt to be seen when hazret Abu Bakr gets the post as caliph and Shia accept him cuz they have to when u consider Ali(ra) accepted it, or it would be disrespecting and reality is Abu Bakr was caliph so this was also destiny.

Of course all are equal in Islam but that isnt doesnt mean all are equal good in understanding Islam. I mean even Abu Bakr(ra) used the listen to Ali(ra) consuel so again they have trust to his sayings. Now we cant decide who and who ppl cant show trust to. this is subjetive and up to the person.

Point is we cant stop them to practice Islam the way they want. We dont stop the hindus, christians or jews so why shud we stop the shia..what we can do is make dialogues and interaction to build brigdes.

i have personally experienced Shia telling me to hit myself but i humbly said no thx and left after a while. I mean i think its sad and to know how muslims suffered back then but to go to an extent where i need to hit myself i think i can skip that. Besides we can also ask shia. Did Ali(ra) hit himself, did imam Hussain? But if u look at when they call ppl to Islam. They talk abt the same issue as Sunni.

No one is denying Ima'am Ali's status among the companions of the prophet, thats the problem we have with Shia's if Imaam ali accepted Abu Bakr's Khilafah, y are they going around spreading lies about the first three chaliphs.

Also, we cannot take the literal meaning of hadith's and saying of various ppl we have look up the matter and be open to criticism, thats the only way we can seek true knowledge.

Asalamu'aliekum
I can agree lies are spread but it would be naive to think only shia spread lies..it is more the person or type of person that would use this as a tool to reach his goal.

so if ur shia or sunni, bottom line shud be that both "sides" shud respect eachother and work for common goal..a Islamic state.

SAiytan is tryin his best to split ummah up and we even know by Prophet Mohammed(saw) as warning that ummah will be split up. but does this also apply the fact that muslim shudnt work for a Islamic nation???

Of course this gives us a new problem as muslim(whom and how to rule the Islamic state) but we owe it to ourselfs and our generations to come to try and do a effort to make a better world to live in.

The only one NOT benefitting from any Sunni/Shia dispute would be the muslims involved in the dispute. so i ask u all, who is benefitting on this. Islamic point of veiw..and i would say its saiytan.


wa salam

Lets get real here, we all want islamic state but considering the differences it is almost impossible.

The sunis work for Khilafah, and the Shiite work for Imaamah, so how can be both work for a common goal when we have two different systems that we want to bring into place?

Asalamu'aliekum

Its only different in our mind...a shia or sunni can work for Islamic State as long as they agree on the Leader. And if this is impossible then how come shia and sunni lived side by side under Islamic State.

Question is how much do we want it?

wa asalam